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Re: The Big Sim Racing Thread

Post by Hairy Frog » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:26 pm

The future of mechanical sports is definetly not on wheels



Foils are bringing a total revolution in sailing, and the mor it goes, the more foiler races are looking like very good car or bike races, and the show is awesome either with the 75' racer above or a 12' moth or a simple board + wing

Red Bull has already invested a lot of money in the America's Cup, and Adrian Neway was part in the developpment of the last Ben Ainslie's British challenge .... enough said
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Re: The Big Sim Racing Thread

Post by Ztranier » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:46 pm

i disagree with u @Hairy Frog ( quelle surprise) in some points
those high end multy hulls are great, but they only can have the contest in a litte wind window
electric race rally cars can race up the hill at (almost) any condition
a couple of more things here to come
no offence
1 - people are used to see and love race car challenges, so there is a big industry/ money behind this
( for ex.what is 2billion bucks invested into a year of Americas cup vs the whole automoblie industry)
2.- TV/stream wiewers need action and from what i have seen from the AC in the past it was interesting to see the air coverage and the tactics
screen overlay but the live events have been almost as boring as the F1 , most intersting have been the 10 mins prestart fights
3.- people still like individual transporting systhems

but yes sailing is a nice way to use free given energy
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Re: The Big Sim Racing Thread

Post by Hairy Frog » Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:46 pm

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...those high end multy hulls are great, but they only can have the contest in a litte wind window...
Not at all Trainee. That was true with the previous gen of multihulls, but not this generation : check the video, they're doing a demo run by 25/30knts at least, and the water is not particulary flat. Notice also tht this next gen America racer is not that diferent from the last gen of IMOCA racers that raced the Vendee Globe Challenge around the planet in 2018 !



These ships have raced around the world and passed both Cape Horn and Bonne-Esperance within a few days !


But, well ... it is just that I do not believe in the electric car solution for the long term. Because the batteries are even more toxic for the planet than actual street cars. The components are made of rare ressources. Lands are devastated where their ingredients are extracted, and we're not even sure the that our planet has enough reserves to respond to the need ...

And what about recycling lithium batteries ?
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Re: The Big Sim Racing Thread

Post by Ztranier » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:03 pm

wow, 30 knts is a big improvement
but since we 99,5 percent of the human race needs to have solid ground under the feet (at least for now) , those research improvements will only work in a quite future, and until then it won`t match wheeled wheeled racing
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Post by Hairy Frog » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:12 pm

Anyway, I'm convinced that personal car is becoming a non sense. It is a non sense to use a car alone and let it parked and not moving more than 80% of the time, it is a non sense to consider sports car when the street cars are driven by a robot, and that's what is hapening.

And once this is admitted, motorsports are losing most of their legitimity
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Post by Ztranier » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:48 pm

yup you are right Harry
but that will take at least 3 more centuries
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Post by Hairy Frog » Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:49 am

No that could be very soon in place, and reality will push the movement

Robotic cars have already been driving in our streets.

The main reason for that wouldn't happen ( yet ) is buziness and economics : less vehicles in the streets mean less production in countries where car industry is literally a gauge for economic activity level..... And politics are easily scared with the idea of seeing a lot of people loose their job in this industry.

To make it short : we prealably need a revolution in our minds. To accept that the part of our home budget that goes to cars, will have to be partially used for something else
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Post by knightmorphed » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:23 am

The industry currently employs around 15 million highly skilled workers, from Electronic Design Engineers to Engine Assembly & Test Managers, the need for more highly skilled workers only increases as the industry expands into new technologies.

The global automotive employment figure stands at a staggering 8,397,451 with China leading the way employing 1,605,000 individuals and U.S.A employing 954,210.

Industry facts:

If global Automotive manufacturing were its own country, it would be the 6th largest economy.
For every 60 million vehicles that are built, you need to employ 9 million people.
The figure for both direct and indirect Automotive employment in the UK is 814,000.
Global Automotive sales hit approximately 94,000,000 in 2016, an increase of 4,000,000 from 2015.
Toyota was the top car manufacturer by production in 2015.
And by 2020 due to Covid the world will only produce 59 million vehicles......

I read a story that when BMW closed down a plant in Germany that employed 10K workers the knock on effect around the world with suppliers and sub suppliers was like 1 million people felt the impact and lost work. Incredible how it is all linked together in this global economy.

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Re: The Big Sim Racing Thread

Post by Hairy Frog » Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:02 am

Yes, and that's the same for any heavy industry supply chain : aircraft, trains, energy, chemistry, civil works, building, and so on....

But is this a reason to keep on habits that are becoming more and more obviously questionable, as their negative effect on our conditions of life is admitted as a reality by more and more people ?

It is not a good reason to not try anything else when you do not have any good answer

When it becomes a question of comfort, you begin to wonder, but when it is about survival you can accept much more easily to change paradigm and way of life .... but hopefully not too late and at cost that could have been spared to our children, just by anticipating....




The feeling of speed on the water, is 3x or 4x what you can feel on a motobike.

I have a good friend who used to race the French 350RDLC championship in anoher life. He told me that funboard is the onmy machine that could give him similar feelings of acceleration as his good old Yamaha that he owned yet. And that was the reason why he was windsurfing..... The speed feeling is even more massive and impressive on a light catamaran than on a funboard :mrgreen:
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Re: The Big Sim Racing Thread

Post by Ztranier » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:01 pm

but where on the water can you find a supermarket?
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